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Stranger Danger claiming to be CFS worker

Dec. 23 2017. Kingsway Mall

I would to thank the lady (stranger), who thought it was appropriate to approach and grab/touch my 7 year old sons arm and tell him he was going to be taken away from his parents by child and family services; thank you for causing trauma.

My children were out with their grandmother and were over stimulated and excited (Christmas and the fact they were at a mall); Both my children have learning disabilities and YOU had no right to “chase”, or “grab” or “touch” or “threaten”.

My mother was so thrown aback by you that she did not do what I would have done. You would have been asked for you CFS/ government Identification for me to take a photo and you have been reported to the customer service desk as well as the RCMP. What you did was not right.

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  1. I am so sorry that this happened to your mother and children.

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  2. This was 2 days ago. Have a great day with your family and move on

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  3. Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

    the way the stranger handled this wasnt appropriate – but what do you mean by the kids being “over stimulated and excited”? just how much and how bad? if they were yelling and screaming and grabbing things, and causing a ruckus in the stores and out of grandma’s control, i can certainly see why someone would step in with “alternative parenting” to restore order. disciplining out of control children with a “scare” isnt abuse.

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    • She did say her kids have learning disabilities. But no matter what that ain’t your kid you have no right to “alternative parent”
      I am guessing that you don’t have kids as if you did and someone ever did this to your kid you would be up In arms. I know if this was me I would have knocked a few teeth out if someone ever grabbed my daughters arm.

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    • Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

      Mariah Greuter as i stated if you read – i said the stangers method was not appropriate – however if your kids are being out of control brats dont get pissy if someone steps in to control it if you cant

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    • Alternative parenting?!? You don’t even know this child’s challenges. I do not know this child but I do have friends with kids who are autistic and get over stimulated and have break downs. You may not be educated at all regarding any of this so for that is excuse your ignorant comment.

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    • Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

      plenty of children have learning disabilities that does not give excuses for not teaching them certain behaviours in public lol.

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    • Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

      Andrea McLellan and neither do you. i am commenting on the words used by the poster. so sod off

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    • Brad Daniels Brad Daniels says:

      What a stupid comment. You don’t touch other people’s kids no matter what! Maybe speak to whomever is caring for them at the moment but never ever ever put your hands on a strangers child. I don’t know where you’re from but that’s not the thing to do here no matter what way you want to sugar coat it.

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    • Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

      Brad Daniels try reading the top and first line of my response. which, btw, ive repeated twice now and not doing so again. then try a little comprehension.

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    • My reading comprehension skills are excellent. Whether there is an excuse for bad behaviour or not, there is no excuse to touch or speak negatively to someone else’s child. Worry about your own kids…oh wait, yours, I assume are perfect and never misbehave. Go near mine and you will certainly see a ‘pissy’ parent.

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    • Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

      ill say it one last time as apparently some of you cant read. YES THE STRANGERS ACTION WAS INAPPROPRIATE. you dont touch kids or anyone else unless its to protect them from harm, however if you cant control your kids i can certainly understand why someone would step in to control a situation the person in charge of couldnt! using a scare tactic that the boogeyman is gonna come for you if you dont smarten up is not child abuse. do you get it now? if you cant figure that out yet have some eggnogg and a nice day.

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    • Maja Black Maja Black says:

      Rhon Magyar it is you who isn’t comprehending. Everyone read your first sentence…and how you kept on to defend the strangers behaviour…it is never acceptable to touch anyone else’s child. Ever.. if it were that bad you contact mall security

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    • The ONLY appropriate action in that situation was for the stranger to ask the grandmother if there was anything they could do to help if indeed the grandmother looked like she could use some help. Making verbal judgments, scolding children when they have a guardian present, and verbally threatening someone else’s child is NEVER appropriate, let alone grabbing a child’s arm.

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    • Rhon Magyar “however if your kids are being out of control brats dont get pissy if someone steps in to control it if you cant” negated anything else you said. I get your thought process completely. You keep saying how you understand why someone else would step in to deal with other people’s children. Maybe you should focus more energy on understanding why no one should do that and it’s not understandable rather than freaking out on people who understand you completely.

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    • Rhon Magyar “teaching”. And what if it is taught in the home. Again, now you’re assuming and breaking this down about “poor parenting”. You don’t understand some behavioural issues at all do you?! I feel sorry for your ignorance. But clearly you don’t care.

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    • Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

      i dont care if you agree with me or not lol. thats your opinion and i have mine. if your kids are out of control then do something about it and remove them from the situation and take them home. dont make it everyone elses problem to deal with – which seems to have happened in this case and not in a nice way. thats all i have to say.

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    • Maja Black Maja Black says:

      Rohn did santa forget to visit you?

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    • Wow….What part of “Both my children have learning disabilities” did you not understand Rhon? Also, she said over stimulated, doesnt mean they were wreaking the store which you assume in all your writings on this post. YOU Assume way to much in your self importance. Read what she wrote….not how you interpreted it. Also….everyone is assuming you have kids. from what you said….I am assuming you dont. If you dont at this time, your in for a very wonderful surprise one day.

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    • Brad Daniels Brad Daniels says:

      Oooh now he gets ignorant, surprise suprise

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    • Brad Daniels Brad Daniels says:

      Usually when people are wrong and cornered ignorance and being rude is what they turn to.

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    • Oh please come offer some alternative parenting to my SPD child!

      If only there were more people like you around to judge and belittle the caregivers of special needs kids, the entire world would be saved!

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    • My aunty is a cfs worker and i tell you this using anything as a scare tactic is labelled abusive in the sense it terrorrizes the mental state of a child… not a way to control a child… especially one with learning disabilities…

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  4. Kenda Breen Kenda Breen says:

    I had an old man yell at my son to shut up. It shocked him so much he stopped immediately. I was grateful that he did. I didn’t tolerate bad behaviour in public and that one time he was not listening to me and that intervention worked.

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  5. 1. teach your kids how to behave in public with respects to others.
    2. don’t be offended if other people step in because you failed in #1.

    Your freedom ends where mine begins.

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    • Ummm she pretty much just said they have disabilities. Not all kids with disabilities can behave 100%. Even a neurotypical child doesn’t always listen. Get a grip.

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    • if more than one kid has a learning disability, there is also a parenting disability.

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    • How can they teach if they don’t take them out? This is how they learn!!

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    • You ever touch(step in) my kid, and it will be the last thing you ever do. If my kids are misbehaving, you come to me. You never ever touch another’s child…..ever. Grow up, two wrongs never make a right.

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    • exactly. so please be ready when the others step in when you fail in teaching them that

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    • Coral Ginger MacDonald I don’t doubt it. If you are brave enough to confront an adult, you will be brave enough to stop your kid from misbehaving.

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    • Agreed unless that child has mental problems then if you know anything about mental health you know that you dont have the right of way. they do. Mental Health isnt about a misbehaving child or a neglectful parent. It is about a parent wanting to do normal things with their children even though it maybe a bit noisier than the average child. If you need a perfect setting to shop in…..dont shop at Christmas time as everyone is shopping not just you. Have a bit of Christmas spirit, or is your Christmas spirit only reserved of the mentally healthy?

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    • Coral Ginger MacDonald I agree 100 percent. don’t you think that maybe the Child and Family Service has an active file and the family is known to the worker?

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    • don’t use society to raise your kids if you don’t want society to raise your kids.
      easy

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    • Alla Leonidovna No,it doesnt happen that way. Just because your child has mental problems doesnt mean they are on the Child and Family services watch list. Far from it actually. Wow…did you really think that? Misconceptions abound.

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    • Oh, and yes, I work for AHC mental health. I work with people like the child above all the time. Just saying, I know what I am saying about this. Give the lady a break, this is a hard time of the year for everyone. Lets not shit down the throats of the mentally challenged please.

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    • Alla Leonidovna I sure needed a laugh today and your posts are doing it for me.

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    • The “misconception” that someone from CFS is going to approach you in the mall without the proper paperwork or authority (and on their well earned time off) is even more of a fairy tail than the tooth fairy bring you Christmas presents. the OP is full of shit or her mom is.

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    • Alla Leonidovna : or your assuming the person was from CFS. I dont think the person was. I think the person just wanted to scar a child for Christmas and that is all there is to it. Not everyone lies Alla.

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    • Coral Ginger MacDonald I agree with that. I also agree that unless we have seen the whole situation, we should not take any sides and start defending someone without knowing the whole picture.

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    • Sure, I think that is a wonderful idea. Let the Christmas Spirit abound for all….lol. But defending is not as bad as accusing…..which is what you were doing.

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    • not accusing. If Mom had not sent special needs children into a situation with someone ill-equipped to handle them. this event would not have happened.

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    • Alla Leonidovna it states that this family did not know the person claiming to be a CFS worker…..

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    • Alla Leonidovna : You dont like being wrong do you? you get all mean and scary when someone points out your are not in the right in what you are saying. Alla, you know nothing and it is showing up clear as day.

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    • Coral – please re-read some of your posts. I’m not engaging into a personal fight with a person who claims to be someone they are not.

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    • Sigh…whatever floats your boat Alla, you take your misconception and run with them. Why, I am trying to convince you of anything is beyond me. I guess on this wonderful Christmas morning I would rather promote understanding than hate. I would rather explain then assume. From your comments I could tell you know nothing about mental health, but were more then willing to accuse and just in to set the situation right. Just so you know, you lay a hand on a child you can be charged, no matter what your intentions are. And having understanding for a mentally challenged child , wont hurt you. But your way of dealing with the fact your wrong is to threaten me. What does that say about you? Not much unfortunately. Anyhow your right about one thing….this isnt how I want to spend my Christmas, talking to an idiot who doesnt want to understand anything but their own perfect shopping experience. Duh!

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    • Thank you Jesus.
      Amen.

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    • Your religious? Well that explains everything. I find that religious people are usually the least religious. Oh my, did I say that? How unfortunate for you that that comment wont get me in trouble either….lol. To funny.

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    • some self-righteous person takes every opportunity to hijack the original post and make it all about themselves.
      P.S can you please explain the 20 years of experience working in the Mental Health service and your date of birth which stated as 1995 on your page? Corel Corel, somebody is lying right here…

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    • Dale Martin Dale Martin says:

      All these idiot fb psychologist today quit argueing an stfu Alla you sound like you are perfect.

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    • Nope all ready did. If you didnt read it, oh well, I dont care.

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  6. Wow that’s terrible. If that was a cfs worker they aren’t just allowed to go out and throw their rank or name around like that. Too bad you weren’t there.

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  7. Jeff Durham Jeff Durham says:

    “Learning Disabilities” nice catch phrase for a poor excuse to not teach your kids how to behave.

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    • I really hope karma bits you in the ass for your comment. Mental health isnt something to disregard, and you never know what you will do until you are in the care of one.

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    • Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

      Some of us have worked with all ages and levels of abilities. Any child can be taught boundaries in public and if they can’t maybe it’s not safe to have them there in the first place. So instead of constant excuses try parenting instead.

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    • Jeff Durham Jeff Durham says:

      There is a difference between mental health and poor parenting.

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    • Really? Who have you worked for that you have all this awesome knowledge? I can tell you who I work for, and have for over 20 years in Mental Health. So you mansplain it all to me why dont you….lol.

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    • So glad you were able to diagnose this child from the comfort of your couch , PHD Dr google ?

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    • Jeff Durham Jeff Durham says:

      Nope, no Dr. Google, just lazy parenting IMHO. Parents don’t can’t or won’t teach the children how to be disciplined with their behavior and then hide behind some excuse like autism, learning disabilities. This doe not mean that these issues are legitimately around, it’s just that some (or I think most) parents hide behind them for a reason of poor behavior for their children.

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    • Jeff Durham Jeff Durham says:

      And this all in the name of “protecting the children” from any kind of harm whether it be real, perceived or imaginary.

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    • Jeff Durham Jeff Durham says:

      In other words, you are not allowed to spank bratty kids anymore

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    • Pardon are you saying parents are using autism as a excuse ? Autism and being a little Sh** is 2 different things . You should really get
      To know a child with autism you would see .

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    • Coral Ginger MacDonald how come you have more than 20 years in Mental Health if you were born in 1995? did you start at 2 or are you lying?

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    • My birthday isnt up for anyone to know. That was a typo that I never felt the need to fix and dont feel I have to. But, hey, thanx for cruising my page….lol. I didnt find you interesting enough to do the same.

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    • Coral Ginger MacDonald sure was

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    • Well, I am glad you were entertained…lol. Small minds and all that.

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    • Never assume it’s bad parenting.

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    • Andraya Charette agree ! People like to assume oh bad parenting

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    • Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

      Oh please. I’ve worked with kids and adults with very different levels of autistic functioning and every single one knew what was expected in public or you didn’t go. That simple! So yes stop dropping b.s. about learning disabilities for disruptive behaviour or keep your brat at home! Obviously the little prince in this case was comprehensive enough to be able to be butt hurt and scared by yhe intervention which grandma couldnt do, so by same token little prince is then equally able to be taught consequences! Obviously kids are smarter than some parents these days based based on the (experience) levels shown here!

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    • Rhon Magyar So why arent you doing that now? Maybe because your lack of understand meant it wasnt the job for you. Different levels of autism mean different things Rhon. their understanding of things diminish as their levels get higher. Besides that how do you even know if this child is autistic? Your assuning again. She said learning disabilities and that isnt Autism though it can be a symptom for sure, but it is a symptom for many disorders. For someone who says they know a lot and have work with various levels and ages, you sure are not showing it in your comments. If you have worked as you say….what is the number one rule in Mental Health? If you know please tell us what it is? Because at this moment you are not doing the number one rule at all. You could get fired for what you said. Just saying, I think you are out to lunch on what you know. And if you did work in Mental Health like you stated, you would be in a lot of trouble for saying what you have. Remember the client or person with a disability is never to blame. That is the number one rule and you missed the track by a mile. Punishing someone for something they dont and wont understand is wrong. Might be why your not in the industry anymore.

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    • Rhon Magyar so because someone’s children have disabilities whatever they may be. If those children get sensory overloaded in public x % of the time, then they should leave that child home???? Are you going to volunteer your time to go out and do that families shopping and such?

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    • Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

      I’ve looked after them never mind shopped with them lol! If I’m capable of doing that without having stores dismantled so ate the parents

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    • Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

      No one is saying the kids are to blame coral. You seem to utterly moss the point it has nothing to do with autism Fasd it anything else. It’s about teaching the kid according to its level how to behave in public and if severely mentally handicapped children can then so can a 7 yr old@ so drop the constant excuses.

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  8. I am seeing a lot of people saying they would step in and deal with the child. Are you flippen nuts?? Touch my child or anyones child is wrong, more wrong then the noisy kid. Also what part of “Both my children have learning disabilities” did you not understand?? This isnt a child that knows better and this isnt the parents fault. This is the Christmas season and everyone is shopping for their loved ones. EVERYONE gets to do that. How about having a bit of Christmas spirit and realize that your nastiness and lack of understanding, are why this season is all about money instead of good will. How disappointing these comments are.

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  9. So let’s just say that I’m the person on the other side of things. So these two children obviously misbehaving out in public (it happens) and one of them comes up to me and my 6 month old baby and he tried to touch or grab my child. I would 100% step in and pull that child away from my own. Maybe the child was grabbing something out of a bag that was sitting beside someone on a bench….. again I would step in and stop the child. We don’t know the other side of things so before you assume the woman that touched the child is SO wrong let’s maybe focus on the fact that maybe the grandma was in a terrible situation with children that were out of her control. No one is perfect and maybe both parties were wrong but at the same time I feel bad for the child that was traumatized because he was obviously having a terrible time being dragged around the mall and then unknowing to him did something wrong and someone stepped in.

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  10. Children now a day are total different of children 20 years ago ! And it’s not good !

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  11. Debbie Ryder Debbie Ryder says:

    Coral Ginger MacDonald can I ask why you sent your children with mental issues shopping with grandma at a mall during a busy season .? A mall full of busy anxious shoppers ? Not judging just asking

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    • Are you for real? What a flippen dumb ass you are. I am not the op, I dont know the op, but I have understanding because I have and do work in the mental health industry as I said to you before. Why is this necessary for you to do? Why do you feel the need to belittle someone just because they are not saying what you want to hear? Be kind to people Debbie, and the world will be kind to you. Have understanding for the people in this world, all kinds make it up. And the mentally challenged deserve to live as everyone else do. These are not things I know people think about on a day like today….but do try.

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    • Wow Coral…your words exactly “Kindness isnt something you’re too familiar with is it. that is all I am asking, is that you be kind to people…all people. If that is to hard for you to understand, then I feel sorry for you in a lot of ways.” – – – then your words again… ” – Are you for real? What a flippen dumb ass you are.” – – – – – confusing?? yes.

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    • Renata FS Renata FS says:

      I’m not sure I understand Debbie- are you saying that if they have a disability they need to stay home and avoid the public? Or should all children avoid the mall?

      Perhaps the grandma needed to go to the mall. Perhaps she was treating her grandchildren for an outing or getting pictures with Santa? I don’t know. What I do know is that children can act up. Children with disabilities will also act up. There is a difference between a meltdown and a tantrum and meltdowns can happen suddenly without warning.

      I believe in inclusion. People with disabilities should not need to fear the outside world nor should their parents.

      If others were more tolerant than the world would be a much better place for everyone. Because you know what- you never know if that disabled child might be your own, or someone you care for.

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    • Yes Bob…even someone like me can lose patience with people….not so confusing at all.

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    • Kyle Wilson Kyle Wilson says:

      Okay “ coral “ if that is indeed your real name.

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  12. Sorry but if any stranger touched my kid i would lay them out.

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  13. I’d quickly slap a bitch who grabbed my child and I’d claim self defense. Fuck outta here!

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  14. Rhon Magyar Rhon Magyar says:

    Bunch of shit! Kids with learning disabilities are often smarter than those around them! A smart patent will know this and that it does NOT mean their kids are dumb! It means they have to be taught according to their individual learning style! So drop the excuses and learn to manage your kids.

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