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Hello everyone! With the latest debates about the Catholic school board vs public curriculum it has raised a lot of questions about the necessity and appropriateness of having two separate boards.

This decision should not lie upon the government but of the people of Alberta to be heard on what they prefer.

So there is a petition to put this to a referendum being run by a former education minister. Please add your voice to this cause so the true values of Albertans can be recognized.

http://www.ouridea.ca/?e=35b1b632c92020503fc48659f71d4988&utm_source=publicyes&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=notleyoct27&n=12

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  1. The question is poorly written. It asks a question that would require a yes/no response. So if you answer yes you sign if you don’t sign its a no. But how do you register no’s.

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    • Petitions do not register a no response. They are presented to the legisltive assembly with the amount of signatures that they have received as is required under the guidelines for submitting a petition.

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  2. Which former Minister? Why does the website not say who it is? What about home schooling? Other separate school boards?

    It is my personal opinion that online petitions are non-effective, so for that reason, I’m out.

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    • Do public schooling get public funds per student? Other private schools and home schools that teach something other than the curriculum are not funded with public tax money. So why is there specific, government funded school promoting one singular religion ( of which only 25 percent of the population identifies as…yay stats can!) over any others? IMO either fund em all or have it one hundred percent public and allow private schools for whatever reson ( religious, ideological etc.) fund themselves.

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    • Evan Anthony Massey – You are lacking some facts , home schools and private schools do receive tax dollars. As well the NDP will not take up this challenge as no one wants to take up a constitutional challenge. Alden is correct online petitons are lame and I for one do not give them any weight – its only signed by a bunch of keyboard warriors not actuall people who are affected by the issue

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    • And I disagree with that, online anything is now the prevelant form of communication and spreding of ideas. It is faster, further reaching and easier to collect information and resources than the old methods of walking on foot as well gives the opportunity for those who are unaware of issues to notice them. By automatically branding anyone as a “keyboard warrior” is nothing more than an ad hominem logical fallacy.

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    • And yes I did sign, nd I am affected by the issue at hand. I have friends who are LGBTQA who grew up in that system. Many attempted suicide due to guilt and being taught it was wrong. My daughter is affected as people who are fed misleading and false information can affect the populace ( look into std and pregnancy rates in states where abstinence only and “traditional catholic” followings are taught.)

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    • I remember a year or so ago.. a woman duct taped her pups mouth and face shut.. it was all of the online buzz that got the bitch arrested by the end of the week. All of that, no one knew who she was, but the online community made its move and won.

      I’ve seen lots change both good and bad because of online groups and petitions.

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    • Brittney Castle Spread if information vs signing a random petition. Two different things.

      Even paper petitions are somewhat of a joke. When they had a petition to try and save the City Centre Airport, a large percentage of signatures were dismissed because they were fake or had addresses outside the jurisdiction. “Wayne Gretzky” signed that particular petition SIX times!

      Awareness is great. Online me petitioning, not so much.

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  3. Thats a hard no, religion has zero place in the education system it does nothing but breed more prejudice.

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    • The petition is to put a referendum to a vote to either continue or abolish the publicly funded catholic school boards

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    • Reminded me of this haha.

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    • I suppose i should have read the link beforehand lol. The post suggested they want a seperate board to control the full education of catholic students, which i think would be a horrible idea. Adding religious teaching to an allready set curriculum is one thing, but letting them control what these kids are taught is just asking for trouble.

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    • ^^ exactly I personally am in favour of one public system based upon facts and scientific evidence not theological policies. I believe in inclusivity and equal rights and do not believe any public funds should be going to promote a singular ideology (religious or not) that moves to restrict the freedom and liberty of others. Believe what you want just do not force it on me or the public 😀

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    • Oh, it really is. I grew up in the catholic school system.. SO MUCH of what they teach is complete bullshit.

      I’ve had to reteach myself math, the proper way, so that I’m prepared for when my kidlet starts doing it for himself. I’ve lost track at how many times things I know for a fact that I learned at Sir John Thompson and O’Leary that were outright fucking wrong. Made me look like an idiot on many occasions until I educated myself. Sad really. My S/O and I are equally intelligent, just different schooling, but he came out far more educated in real life shit and I came out with fairytales in my head.

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    • In a perfect world there would be no such thing as the catholic school board but i do believe public funding is a last ditch effort to make sure thes kids arent being completly brain washed. Controling what they are taught gives them the knowledge outside of what their parents teach to decide for themselves.

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  4. Lyn Hessels Lyn Hessels says:

    School should be for curriculum that is consistent throughout the province. Religious values/education vary even within denominations, so for consistency, leave religion to church and home and concentrate on a unified approach to education.

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  5. Religion shouldn’t have ever been brought into schools. I respect everyone’s right to believe in whatever they want, but you have to know that your sky daddy has nothing to do with education, otherwise praying before exams would work.

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  6. Let them teach their religion in religion class, but don’t let it creep into subject matter where student health is at stake.

    Whether Catholics like it or not, most kids are going to have sex and some kids are going to grapple with their sexual preference and/or gender. Even if a kid holds off on having sex and identifies concretely as heterosexual, the kid needs to know that others being different or making different choices is totally okay. Let’s give these kids some knowledge to help them to navigate these issues as safely as possible.

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    • Have you ever attended a catholic school? Religion is taught in religion class. I also learned everything there is to know about sex at school… and *gasp* I went to catholic school!

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    • Diid you know they are planning to push abstinence as their only birth control/disease prevention choice?

      How about the fact that they don’t want to discuss homosexuality or gender fluidity at all?

      Kids are going to have sex. Let’s keep them from getting pregnant too early or infected with STIs.

      Some of those kids are also going to be grappling with homosexuality and/or gender fluidity. Let’s talk about it openly and honestly so that there is no shame involved and also educate the other kids that LGBTQ people are just normal people. Their sexual preferences or gender identities are their business alone and nothing to be apprehensive about.

      Listen. I’m not against the Catholic schools here unless they persist and try to avoid educating children about the world as it is, not as devout pious Catholics think it should be.

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  7. Kathleen Rae Kathleen Rae says:

    Religion and church and religious education should be solely funded by the church and it’s followers, not taxpayers.

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  8. There are far more then just catholic and public -there is Christian, Hindu and Muslim schools as well funded in part somehow somewhere down the line by taxpayers dollars. Dont believe in only the two….

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    • Sources? Because I know from the Alberta education website that Roman Catholic schools get approximately 75 percent of the same funding per student than compared to public school. Which is approximately 3800 per student. Do any of the other ones you are claiming receive the same amount ? Or is it disproportionate favouring one faith over another?

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    • Evan Anthony Massey good questions one id like to know the answers to as well.

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    • education.alberta.ca/private-schools/private-schools-in-alberta/

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    • Private schools no funding. Accredited schools that adopt the Alberta curriculum outcomes get partial.

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    • Sarah Inman Sarah Inman says:

      With EPSB, there are several religious schools including Jewish, Muslim and Christian. I don’t know about Muslim and Jewish ones but I do know most Christian parents pay an extra $1000+/ year for the Christian component, although it’s still considered a public school with public funding.

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    • That would fall under the accredited schools then. Ones who want to teach a private view but since they are also teaching the components of the EPSB curriculum and their outcomes they qualify for partial subsidy

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    • Sara Lynne Sara Lynne says:

      Evan Anthony Massey – Private schools do get some funding. Catholic, Public and Charter get the majority of the funding. Public schools also have a variety of Protestant and Muslim programs under their umbrella. There is also the St. Albert Protestant school district, which receives public dollars.

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  9. I went to a catholic school, and my children attend catholic school. In addition to the separate school system, is also the private school system which also teaches with religious undertones. The beauty of this, is that parents can choose which system their children will grow up in. Curriculum is province wide, and includes Alberta Education ministers approval. If people do not like what the separate and private systems support, don’t send your kids – you have other choices. But to the thousands that do attend classes, those people have chosen that for a reason. Its up to no one to have a debate over those reasons. I most certainly don’t find myself worrying about what others think of the separate system. Its a choice for my family, and it works for us. My kids school is an amazing school that cares a lot for the kids within. That is all I am worried about.

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    • Whether or not you choose to send your child to Catholic I agree is your choice. No one is saying otherwise. But why is only one specific religious view being funded when others do not receive the same amount? Why do they push agendas that contradict the curriculum set out by which they are legally obliged to carry out to be considered for funding? And why do they complain when they fight against the public curriculum and lo and behold we call them out on it?

      It is a system that favours ONE religious view, attempts to limit the rights of their students and employees ( they have been using public funds to pay for lawsuits brought upon them for discrimination).

      Never once did anyone here say these schools should not exist. But the current system favours ONE religious view over any others despite it being a minority of the population.

      That is extremely unethical.

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    • Forcing people to accept something we don’t believe in is just as unethical. No one is saying that if either my son or daughter is gay that they are not loved just the same. Forcing parents out of the lives of their children with something so life changing is unethical. Another interesting fact, is that I pay taxes to the separate school system. As are many other separate school parents. We are choosing where are taxes go. The curriculum btw, is being approved by Alberta Education. Has been in works for well over a year. Notely overstepped all boundaries when shooting off at the mouth recently about something she knows nothing about. I support the system, and am happy its raising my children.

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    • No but they teach children t be ahsamed if they are gay and to never act upon their “urges” because ” it goes against the will of god”. They want to teach that transgendered people do not exist ( they believe in one gender at birth) they want to teach that condoms ( although an option) are looked down upon and that women should not use birth control. and who is saying that you would be forced into that? if you do not want your children to learn those views you have the option and right to pull your child out of that class, that has never changed. And yes the curriculum is getting made by TEACHERS. yep that is right the people that are making the curriculum are the experts and peple we trust to educate our children. By saying that the NDP is writing it, by saying that the NDP is forcing these changes in the curriculum is an out right lie. And that is coming from one of the teachers writing it this moment.

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    • Evan Anthony Massey I’m not sure which Catholics you have met before, but the ones I know care about people as people. I know many transgenders in my line of work. What I do agree with, is that my children would NOT be forced to hide something from me and my husband that is life altering. I would never want either of them to go through that alone and scared. I would also really want to ensure they understand what an actual cross over of gender means for them medically for the rest of their lives. BUT, if either comes home and says I’m gay, I will say well you make sure you find someone who will commit to you, and love you. And, I would hope that you are in a committed relationship prior to being sexual with them. Because my children would be worth that. And, its the Alberta Minister of Education they are working with on this with. Seems to me like you are trying to spread hate – just because people believe in the Catholic religion. Not sure how that is at all different from what you are accusing the catholics of.

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    • Blogspot? Ok, maybe you should watch where you are getting your content, and sources. The catholic trustee’s have issued a report. It was released to proper media. The problem with facebook is the amount of false news. I most certainly will not entertain a blog that has not been touched by the press, or been released by trusted sources. Good luck with your argument though.

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  10. I have a copy of the proposed changes the catholic shool board wants implemented if anyone wants to see and judge for yourselves their intentions. It is official and was gained by a FOIP request from the edmonton journal.

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  11. Michael Orr Michael Orr says:

    It’s in the Constitution that there are to be two types of schools publicly funded, in Quebec, Ontario, and Alberta. Agree or not, it’s going to be tough to change. It was a huge part of getting Upper and Lower Canada to merge.

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    • Hence a referendum. I am all for the political process so if it came out that it was wanted to be kept as much as I disagree with it I would accept that as the will of the masses and respect it as a democratic nation should. Quebec has unified their boards as well as newfoundland and labrador and (whops edit) Ontario so it can be done.

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    • Michael Orr Michael Orr says:

      Evan Anthony Massey yes. I’m with you. I think there should be one system but I think after 150 years we can review our options and see what the people want. I resent funding a religious school system, as a committed atheist.

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  12. Sylvia Weist Sylvia Weist says:

    And how about the fact that the Catholic School Board doesn’t want to vaccinate the kids against a cancer-causing venereal disease? Disgusting.

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