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Here is the “Puppy Seller” story. Please share! I’ll be posting on all the dog related groups I’m in and Shoutout Edmonton. If the “authorities” won’t do anything, word of mouth will have to stop him.

Last Saturday I was contacted by our partner vet. She had a lady there wanting to surrender a 3 week old puppy that she had purchased off Kijiji 5 days previous. She had been bottle feeding him and I think just got overwhelmed. Looking at the dates now, I think the pup was actually YOUNGER than that at the time. We took the baby and he is now safe with another rescue with the means to properly care for him.

But, of course, we decided he needed to be stopped. I spent all week trying to get as much info as I could. Through social media I was able to get his phone number and name. They are blocked because I don’t need any vigilantism on this-just to stop him. If you want the info-PM me.

I contacted EPS, EHS, bylaw, ACCC, Alberta SPCA, and bylaw where he lives. I started a convo with him, saying I wanted a puppy and was even willing to meet him to get a licence plate number. After all that, it turns out that the SPCA “doesn’t see a problem” with the selling of 2-4 week old puppies. To say I’m appalled is an understatement!

If I had the money I would’ve just bought all the puppies. But that won’t stop him.

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  1. Again SPCA is useless over and over what is their job to help animal to stop abusers I guess they don’t due this

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  2. Did you buy a puppy from him? If you did then you basically just rewarded him for selling underage pups and encouraged him to continue doing this. I would contact the Edmonton Humane Society again and inquire about the laws regarding selling of pups under 6 weeks of age. I would have suspected the pups were stolen if the person did not meet at their house and did not have a mom dog – that angle might be something the police would have been interested in (if the person could not prove ownership) ALSO it is very important we all educate the public in regards to puppy buying – a person should never pay anything to buy any puppy that is not vaccinated, vet checked, and/or comes with health guarantees. If people would stop paying for pups that are not worth anything – sellers could not sell them. But.. ya.. I know there have been litters stolen so contact the police again.

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  3. Ed Bloom Ed Bloom says:

    Unfortunately there are hundreds of puppy mills in and around Edmonton. Some are legal, like the ones in a mall, and more are illegal. You can stop one, but 2 pop up later. Can’t stop the money train. Wish you luck.

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  4. The goverment needs to make laws that you need a lic to have a animal track them sorry to say the same with a child

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  5. Good on you for wanting to do everything to try and stop this seller, for this I do applaud you. However, the problem is also that people are BUYING these puppies! If everyone stopped buying them then the sellers would go out of business. Wish more people actually did some research before getting an animal 🙁 Hopefully your efforts will stop at least a few from buying from this seller, every step counts.

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  6. I personally see no wrong with getting a puppy between the ages of 3-4 week of age once a puppy has been weaned there is not farther use for the mother if they are going to be adopted. You don’t want the bonding to be with the mother you want it to be with the adopter. I myself have a ten year old I did this with and he’s as healthy as can be as a matter a fact he is the healthiest baby we have had. So I think it all depends on the care giver. You may see it as they need that status to grow in to the dog they need to be but reality is once it put into your family,status is then placed and less confusing to the puppy. Sorry you feel the way you do about this gent but to many people who look outside the box there is nothing wrong with what age you sell the puppy as long as it is weaned.

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    • The momma dog teaches them a lot in their first couple of months. They NEED to stay a minimum of 8 weeks.

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    • Are you nuts they aren’t to be from their mom till 8 weeks they learn a lot from there mom

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    • Are you nuts they aren’t to be from their mom till 8 weeks they learn a lot from there mom

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    • Every single puppy I’ve ever known separated from their mother before 8 weeks either had some major behavioral problems or needed intensive training with someone experienced to prevent that.

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    • If your dog has major problems it always got to do with the owner not doing the right things. Being personable with your vet is very helpful.

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    • If your dog has major problems it always got to do with the owner not doing the right things. Being personable with your vet is very helpful.

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    • Shawna Nagy I’m not ignorant to the facts you are ignorant for thinking a dog is like a human and to put there thoughts and feelings in the same class as a human is ignorant. Sorry you don’t do more research and come out of the dark ages of raising and animal. You probably thing that birds should eats nothing but seed too right.

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    • Shawna Nagy I’m not ignorant to the facts you are ignorant for thinking a dog is like a human and to put there thoughts and feelings in the same class as a human is ignorant. Sorry you don’t do more research and come out of the dark ages of raising and animal. You probably thing that birds should eats nothing but seed too right.

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    • Petmd.com. INTRODUCING THE FORMULA

      Most experts recommend against allowing puppies to nurse after the third or fourth week. That means that about 24 days, a puppy should begin to be introduced to a starter or weaning formula. One of the best ways to wean a puppy is to present him with a semi-liquid nourishment in a shallow pan such as a cookie baking sheet. Gently place the pup at the edge of the food, push his little chin into the food, and they will smell it and begin to lick the mixture you prepared.

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    • Shawna Nagy Shawna Nagy says:

      And you all wonder why puppy mill puppy’s are always sick !!

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    • Shawna Nagy you have no clue you just comment.

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    • Shawna Nagy Shawna Nagy says:

      Just some more info for you !!

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    • Hope you not say he came from a puppy mill because you so wrong.

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    • Shawna Nagy Shawna Nagy says:

      no Tina I do know I commented ?? What are you smoking over there ??

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    • and you, Tina should do more research yourself. 2-3 weeks is way too young to wean a puppy. The nutrients they are robbed of from their mothers milk, the basic lessons a puppy learns are from it’s mother….. Any younger than 8 weeks should be a criminal offence and no, I am not joking. Alberta, unfortunately has some of the worst animals cruelty laws. It needs to be overhauled completely and issues like these need to be included!

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    • What is wrong with the way I think or talk. Because I have an opinion that differs from yours doesn’t mean I’m smoking anything once again your assumptions are wrong. That’s all you are doing so have fun assuming what you want I’m done with your assumptions.

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    • Once again someone else who’s stuck in the dinosaur ages. Your 8 weeks is just a fabrication that was told to you since the beginning of time and you know no different. Did you know you can teach an old dog new tricks. Well you should tell me something that is new and interesting and something that can change my mind. Cause this is all old shit and quite frankly all assumptions once again.

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    • Once again someone else who’s stuck in the dinosaur ages. Your 8 weeks is just a fabrication that was told to you since the beginning of time and you know no different. Did you know you can teach an old dog new tricks. Well you should tell me something that is new and interesting and something that can change my mind. Cause this is all old shit and quite frankly all assumptions once again.

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    • Shel Leclerc Shel Leclerc says:

      It’s not healthy for a puppy to be taken away before the 8 week mark.
      Some breeders actually wait up to 12 weeks before rehoming, for various reasons.
      Being around mama and suckling for as long as possible helps build their immune system.

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    • Ashlee Anne Ashlee Anne says:

      You know what’s wrong with your opinion Tina, it’s wrong. Would you stops child from bottle/Brest feeding well before its their time? NO! Why? Because they need the nutrients to fully develop that’s why! Most puppy’s aren’t even walking at that age. Can’t poop by themselves, they need their mothers assistance.

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    • Susan Csapo Susan Csapo says:

      6 to 8 weeks actually..

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    • Tina Richards ask a vet dog breeders you never take a doc from its mom before it’s ready go take a pill

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    • Eirra Mac Eirra Mac says:

      Too early to wean at 3 to 4 weeks. We have a puppy and vet told us we can start weaning at 6 weeks.

      Its really better for them to be with their mom till 8 weeks because they copy their mom’s behavior and mom can discipline them too.

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    • Bullen says:

      You are aware that between 6and 8 weeks is when the mother teaches discipline. How to stay calm etc etc. That is why you shouldnt take pups from their mom prior to 8 weeks old. It helps them socially as they age. Most pups taken away younger usually have issues weather it be potty training issues or behavioral issues. 6 to 8 weeks is the most inportant time to be with the mom

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    • Laura Olivia Muir no I’m not joking dogs are not humans. They don’t have the same phycology as humans where you on the other hand are offended over an option they wouldn’t even thing the same way. You should learn a little more about dog phycology instead of jumping down people throat for there personal experiences.

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  7. Those poor animals. Very sad. However, I agree w/ Andrea saying the buying has to stop.

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  8. Who the hell buys a bottle fed puppy, either??

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    • Inexperienced folks who think they are doing something good. They obviously didn’t know any better…… Sad.

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    • Missy says:

      Could be worse. I had a room mate who decided to get a puppy ( in our no pets apartment no less)and the guy who sold it to her told her he weaned it early and started feeding it hard adult dog food at 2 weeks and that if she just kept it on this feeding plan he made up the puppy wouldn’t grow any bigger than it is. At day four with no bowel movements she still wouldn’t take him to the vet so I kicked her out. The dog pretty much slowly and painfully exploded from the inside out. He didn’t even make it to the age where most people start selling the pups. There should be a government licensing program that allows people to buy and breed dogs fairly and safely, the they could also put a stop to the dogs that it was cruel to breed them into existence in the first place like pomski’s. That’s just a time bomb waiting to go off.

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  9. This just shows be how dumb humans are – you don’t take a pup from its mom until about 8 weeks – when they leave their mom to soon it causes problems same has children

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  10. He can’t live in Edmonton you couldn’t have all theses dogs to breed and pup in one house

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    • Legally no, you are right, unfortunately there are people who don’t care. Figure they have a male and a female, why not make some money? Most puppy mills are run by folks that really don’t care about anything but the almighty dollar. Sad but true. Alberta’s animals cruelty laws are so behind the times it’s scary. Without proper laws in place, There is not much anyone can do. Once Alberta does get it’s ass in gear then the fight will be on to enforce the new rules. It’s going to take a long time, and until then, puppy mills will continue to go on right under our noses. Just thinking about this makes me sad. I need to go hug my dog!

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    • You know what also pisses me off people so dumb they buy them – he needs to be report to rev canada

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    • Michelle says:

      Actually the have been many cat hoarders in Edmonton so it would not surprise me if there were puppy mills. People wouldn’t know if they kept the dogs inside all the time which is a possibility when dogs are found with poop matted to them never leaving the cage. The just keep breading them and taking out the puppies. It’s so sad.

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  11. I posted this on SPCA’s page. Let’s see what they say. If anything. !!!! How awful !!!

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  12. Of course the SPCA would think its ok for them to leave very young. They make a good buck off selling pets that are too young to be away from their mothers! We adopted a kitten years back that was two months old, a perfect age to be away from their mother. The part that concerned me was the fact that the SPCA fixed her at two months or likely younger as when we took her home the hair on her belly had half grown in. Any vet will tell you cats and dogs don’t get fixed before 6 months! To this day she has some behaviour problems. She’s not bad just antisocial and just kind of weird. We love her yo bits anyway.

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    • Larissa Dee Larissa Dee says:

      Its not a perfect system, no, but rescues and humane societies typically sterilize all their intakes before adopting them out, regardless of age. Since everyone wants puppies and kittens, this means spaying and neutering young puppies and kittens. That’s not a cruel oversight on the part of The SPCA by any means; its to stop the perpetuation of kittens and puppies coming into the shelters. Sure, these rescues could say “Make sure you spay or neuter at 6 months, okay?” but plenty of people won’t adhere to that. Sure, they could house the animals until 6 months of age, but who’s going to pay for the food and housing costs? (And who’s going to train all these terribly socialized, 6-month-stint shelter dogs who are now virtually unadoptable due to lack of socialization?)

      Its not the best solution to sterilize young. But it’s a solution. And it’s not nearly a good enough reason to drag the SPCA’s name through the mud.

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    • Larissa Dee I agree with you. I would also like to add that the Humane Society does not make any $ off this. they have high overhead, food to pay for. Vets to pay for. Yes they get food donated, yes ( I am guessing here) they get discounted vet rates, or a vet on staff.The donations they receive do not cover all the bills, medical supplies and wages. Yes they have volunteers but I am also guessing they are always looking for volunteers as well, for exercising and socializing the animals. When you consider what it costs to buy an animal from a pet store or a breeder, then get their shots and neutering, adopting from the SPCA is the most affordable way to go. The animals they have that are brought in neutered are less expensive to adopt. And animals from the SPCA have all had their mandatory vaccinations already. All that considered, On the financial side of it, SPCA is hard to beat.

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    • They used to give people a free voucher to get their pets spayed and neutered at 6 months. But people just wouldn’t do it. The problem of overpopulation continues when people don’t spay and neuter. There is a lot of research on the topic, and the risk is minimal with cats and dogs being spayed early, with the exception of giant breed dogs.

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    • Here’s the thing.. your kitten.. can get pregnant at 4mths old and have babies at 6mths old.. so getting her spayed young is not a scare tactic etc.. It might seem a bit young and it is.. but it can and does happen. So if she has reached her maturity and goes into heat and gets out for whatever reason, and in her travels a tom crosses her path, she could very well come back and have a litter of her own. That is why they spay and neuter at a young age.

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    • I can appreciate your reasoning but my cats don’t get out. I would have preferred her not being fixed so young. Yes it was our choice not to adopt her but when you fall in love with a pet, you fall in love.

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  13. Good for you!!!Fur babies o ly have us to protect them from greedy ,heartless humans

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  14. Just so all you loud mouths know I have a rottie/Shep that I got when she was 9 weeks old let me tell you the difference. She was afraid of signs, she always feels she has to be the only one she’s very jealous, you can’t play ball with one and not her, everything is hers. She had 7 other pups to contend with so she was the odd one out. She gets more then enough love and attention and still craves more. Don’t get me wrong she has been a little more work but worth every bit of effort I have put into her. But age of getting a dog should be something that everyone should rethink. I want my dog to feel like they are number one and they shouldn’t have to contend with the other siblings to be number one. Because as we all know status quo always wins over something that sit in a corner and no one pays any mind to it.

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    • Ange Freer Ange Freer says:

      My dog was the odd one out. She sat in the corner and refused to socialize with anyone. Paid none of the potential buyers any attention. She was picked on by the siblings. The day I came along to visit my friend that all changed. I paid ZERO attention to all the other little attention seekers. Shoed them away actually. That was when my girl slowly, cautiously, and gently approached me. She slept in the crook of my elbow/forearm for 4hrs that day. The following day I brought her home. Best decision I made. From that day forward we have been thick as thieves. It’s been 4yrs already. And wouldn’t you know, she’s been the easiest to train out of all her siblings? Or at the ones we maintained contact with.

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    • Ange Freer Awe, you brought back precious memories of my dog that I had for 14 years. Tragically her mother was killed when she was 4 weeks old, too young to even be weened. My girl was bottle fed when she came to me. She was the runt of the litter and very antisocial. I expected I was in for trouble with her. I do believe that because I continued with bottle feeding then weening and getting her fixed at the right time played into proper development. It did however make us very close and she was a breeze to train because of that closeness.

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  15. Linda Searle Linda Searle says:

    Puppies are weaned from their Moms at 4 to 5 weeks, then the breeder continues to socialize within the home with the mother dog who teaches them loads, they play within their litter where they learn social dog skills with their litter mates…they dont go to their forever homes till at least 8 weeks after shots, vet checked, dewormed and tatoo’d. Buy from a Breeder where you get a Health Guarantee!

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